{"id":15635,"date":"2013-03-08T12:46:16","date_gmt":"2013-03-08T01:46:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/maytherockbewithyou.com\/mtrbwy\/?p=15635"},"modified":"2013-03-08T12:46:16","modified_gmt":"2013-03-08T01:46:16","slug":"ricky-warwick-scott-gorham-of-black-star-riders-thin-lizzy-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maytherockbewithyou.com\/mtrbwy\/2013\/03\/ricky-warwick-scott-gorham-of-black-star-riders-thin-lizzy-3\/","title":{"rendered":"Ricky Warwick & Scott Gorham of Black Star Riders \/ Thin Lizzy"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\n<\/a>\u201cI really think this is probably one of the best albums I\u2019ve ever been on\u2026 I went there OK? *laughs* It\u2019s just the way we wrote the songs, the arrangements, Ricky\u2019s phrasing, his lyrics, Damon\u2019s playing some kick ass guitar in there, Jimmy DeGrasso is like a fresh face in there, the whole deal. Lighting a fire is kind of a mild way of putting it *laughs *\u201d<\/p>\n

From press release: In October 2012 Thin Lizzy announced that they would not be recording new material under the Thin Lizzy moniker. The last incarnation of the band \u2013 Scott Gorham, Brian Downey, Darren Wharton, Ricky Warwick, Damon Johnson and Marco Mendoza \u2013 would be looking to form a new project.<\/p>\n

Step forward Black Star Riders\u2026 24th December 2012 saw the announcement of the new band formed by Thin Lizzy alumni Ricky Warwick (vocals), Scott Gorham (guitar), Damon Johnson (guitar), Marco Mendoza (bass) with new addition Jimmy DeGrasso on drums (Alice Cooper, Megadeth, David Lee Roth, Suicidal Tendencies). The change in personnel came about as Brian Downey didn\u2019t want to commit to the touring cycle a new album would entail and Darren Wharton wanted to concentrate on Dare and other music and film projects.<\/p>\n

Black Star Riders is set to enter the studio in Los Angeles in January 2013 to start recording their debut album with the legendary Kevin Shirley (Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith, Rush). The album will feature material the band wrote whilst touring as Thin Lizzy and the sound retains that classic feel but is very much its own as well. The Black Star Riders record is the next step in the evolution of the Thin Lizzy story.<\/p>\n

We had the honour of sitting down with both Scott Gorham and Ricky Warwick of Black Star Riders while in town playing one of their final shows under the name of Thin Lizzy. These were two separate chats, so was great to get both guys takes on some of the questions below, as well as a couple relating to their various other endeavours. The BSR album is out in May, so you can read all about that below as well as how somewhat hard and exciting the changeover has \/ will be\u2026 oh and an exclusive on the album title.<\/p>\n

Welcome back to Australia, for you the first time in a long, long time, do you have any memories of your last visit you can share with us?<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> It\u2019s been thirty years since we\u2019ve been back, I think it was 1981 and we\u2019d been coming to Australia I think for six years, every other year and we hit \u201981 and its\u2019 like we fell off the end of the Earth. You know, Phil died obviously in \u201986 so that kinda put pay to anymore visits for a while at least *laughs*. I think the tour was the Sydney Opera House that we played at, and I\u2019ve actually got a book out right now and that\u2019s the front cover is us playing in front of there must have been 50,000 people there, it was massive and the back cover is the whole place just trashed, which is what a festival does to a ground like that and from what I understand we were the last band to actually do that because the city fathers actually saw what had happened to their iconic building and I don\u2019t blame them\u2026 It\u2019s like you look at the Sydney Opera House and it\u2019s like you look at the Taj Mahal or the Eiffel Tower\u00a0 and you know exactly in the world where that is, so you can see why the Sydney fathers went, we\u2019re never going to do this again. I think they were expecting maybe two or three thousand people *laughs*. That\u2019s for me a real iconic moment, to see that scene with the Opera House right in front of you, and the Iron Bridge, the helicopters, the estuary there, it\u2019s pretty kick ass.<\/p>\n

Ricky, now when was the last time you were here with The Almighty?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> 1992, we opened for The Screaming Jets, six weeks we spent here, it was brilliant, very good, I think their album was number one in Oz at the time and The Almighty were just coming up as well, we had a good time with those guys, got on really well and still remain friends to this day. I got to see a lot of Eastern Australia because we did it in a van and went to Broken Hill, Wagga Wagga and Wollongong and all those kind of places as well, but it was great, you want to see the Outback of Australia it was a good way to do that, so it\u2019s good to be back.<\/p>\n

Now you\u2019re here with Motley Crue and Kiss on this Monster tour, how have these shows been going so far?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> They\u2019ve been fantastic, we\u2019ve only done three but the response has been great, we\u2019ve been treated very well and looked after very well, it\u2019s just a great bill to be a part of.
\nScott:<\/strong> They\u2019re actually going pretty fabulous, I know every band probably says that, but I kept saying to everybody that I don\u2019t know how we\u2019re going to be received here because we haven\u2019t been here in such a long time and really from the moment that we hit the stage in Perth it was nothing but good things. Especially the headlining show we did in Melbourne, it was kickin\u2019, people were flying in from Dublin and The States and all that, we\u2019ll I think they\u2019re doing that because I think they know it\u2019s going to be the last time they\u2019re going to see Thin Lizzy for quite some time.<\/p>\n

So set wise, what can we expect to hear at these shows?<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> Well we\u2019re trying to do that in a forty five minute things, it\u2019s easy for us to go deep in to the catalogue in England, Europe and Ireland and all that as the following is so huge over there, so right now we\u2019re going to take little baby steps to see how far into the catalogue we can go before we start getting some blank faces *laughs* which hasn\u2019t happened, yet\u2026\u00a0 It\u2019ll be \u2018Are You Ready?\u2019, \u2018Jailbreak\u2019, \u2018Cowboy Song\u2019, \u2018The Boys Are Back In Town\u2019, we\u2019re throwing in \u2018Emerald\u2019, we might do \u2018Chinatown\u2019 on one of the nights in Sydney, \u2018Whiskey In The Jar\u2019, so it\u2019s quite extensive as the catalogue is so big that we can just go boom, boom, boom and get all the timings down.<\/p>\n

So, what was the decision behind changing the name of the band to Black Star Riders and how hard a decision was it for you to take that step forward? Was there any hesitation or worry in doing that?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> The hesitation and worry was the other way round, it was more to do if we were going to put the record out under the Thin Lizzy moniker which was what we originally planned to do. It\u2019s just such a unique situation, the whole thing with Lizzy is that Phil\u2019s obviously been gone for 25 years, the gap between albums would be almost 30 years if it were to come out as Thin Lizzy, and that\u2019s just so unique and it\u2019s not as if Phil had passed away for a couple of years and we got a new singer and put an album out, but there\u2019s such a big gap. Phil has become so revered and become such an iconic legend that we wrote the songs, we felt great about them but the more we got closer to the starting date, you\u2019re obviously thinking about what the fans think, what friends and family think, what we thought maybe this is just a little bit of a step too far to record under the Thin Lizzy name as Phil is so loved and well respected, so last minute we just had a soul searching and we had a change of heart and decided that no, we wanted to make almost a fresh start with a new name. A lot of things, we sat down and the amount of promo and touring and press that comes with a new album, Brian Downey and Darren just didn\u2019t want to do it anymore, they didn\u2019t want to be away from home 200 days a year, I can completely respect that, whereas the rest of us did, we want to go for it, so taking that into consideration we changed the name to Black Star Riders and we\u2019d go ahead and record the songs we\u2019ve written, everyone knows it would\u2019ve been the Thin Lizzy album, but it\u2019s now Black Star Riders and to me that was a big sense of relief, because it appeased all the people were not really sure we should be doing this and there were people that were behind it, we\u2019re still going to play the records, we\u2019re still going to go out there and play Lizzy songs along with the Black Star Riders songs, so I think it\u2019s a win, win you know?<\/p>\n

Scott:<\/strong> Well I\u2019ll tell you what happened\u2026 it became kind of a journalistic band driven thing and we told everyone as the number one question over the past few years was \u2018When are you going to write and record new material?\u2019 I just waited for that one every time. I think everyone just assumed it was going to be the next record for Thin Lizzy, and to be quite honest we kinda did too as everybody expected it so much. Then I always felt uncomfortable about it, Brian Downey felt uncomfortable about it and when it got right down to the crunch it was really, do we want to do this as Thin Lizzy. Brian and I talked it out with the guys and we just figured that history is as history was and we\u2019re just going to leave it, leave that alone. If Phil was still here it would be a whole other ball game obviously, but now we\u2019ve got these seventeen songs that we\u2019ve written and we think they\u2019re kick ass songs so we\u2019ve got to record these things. That\u2019s why we said we\u2019ll end Thin Lizzy for a while and we\u2019ll start this new thing with a couple of new guys in the band.<\/p>\n

Is it fair to say that Black Star Riders is a continuation of Thin Lizzy musically but essentially a totally new and fresh variation of it?<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> Well it kinda is, because at first in our minds it was going to be a Thin Lizzy album so it\u2019s going to sound like a Thin Lizzy album by default just because I\u2019m in there because of the way I write and play and all that. Then you\u2019ve got Ricky Warwick and the lyrics on this are just unbelievably good, Damon and his take on things, but he\u2019s a giant in this band and his writing leans towards the Lizzy side, so what you\u2019re going to hear is, yeah, there will be shades of Thin Lizzy, absolutely, there\u2019s a lot of harmony guitars and riffs and all that but it\u2019s got its on sound all at the same time. It\u2019s a different producer in Kevin Shirley and he\u2019s got his take on it and I was constantly trying to drag everyone away from the Lizzy thing, just because I\u2019m figuring if we\u2019re going to do a new album new band, new sound, new everything, but you couldn\u2019t help it. It\u2019s kind of a mish-mash of Lizzy and brand new at the same time.<\/p>\n

So you could say that this has lit a fire under you guys where you can be your own band now?<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> It absolutely has, especially after Kevin got done mixing it, we got mixes at home and Bob Ludwig actually mastered the thing and it just went ballistic, I really think this is probably one of the best albums I\u2019ve ever been on\u2026 I went there OK? *laughs* It\u2019s just the way we wrote the songs, the arrangements, Ricky\u2019s phrasing, his lyrics, Damon\u2019s playing some kick ass guitar in there, Jimmy DeGrasso is like a fresh face in there, the whole deal. Lighting a fire is kind of a mild way of putting it *laughs *<\/p>\n

For you personally, to now be able to be out the front of essentially a new band and not have to now fill Phil\u2019s shoes must be a sense of relief?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> Yeah, people always say those are big shoes to fill and you can\u2019t fill them, all I can say is that you stand beside them and hope some of the man\u2019s greatness rubs off on your performance, but I can get back to being me a little more with Black Star Riders, and I\u2019m not stupid and I realise this myself as a Thin Lizzy fan, that when I play these songs people want them played the way and sung the way they know them and love them, they almost want to close their eyes and almost sound like its Phil doing them, that\u2019s what I would want if I was a fan going to the show, so I try my best to do that, whereas with Black Star Riders I\u2019m still very influenced now by Phil as I always have been as a songwriter and lyricist and the way he phrases stuff, so we want to retain what\u2019s great about Thin Lizzy and move it over to Black Star Riders. I can be myself a little bit more now, which is nice, I\u2019ve got nothing to really prove anymore because of Black Star Riders too, I can just go back to being Ricky Warwick instead of having to stand up and deliver the songs the way we all know and love them, which I\u2019ll continue to do.<\/p>\n

What do you feel you may be able to do with Black Star Riders that you may not have been able to do as Thin Lizzy?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> Yeah, well I think for number one, make a record *laughs* that was a big thing. In saying that, you\u2019ve still got Scott Gorham and he\u2019s got that guitar sound and got that style and he\u2019s very much part of the Lizzy sound, Marco and Damon have been playing in the band for a couple of years and it does sound like Lizzy, it probably always will but I think we can push the boundaries a little more with Black Star Riders. Jimmy has slotted in seamlessly and it\u2019s a great line up and I\u2019m looking forward to it.<\/p>\n

Scott:<\/strong> Well, there\u2019s always going to be a little bit of prejudice against us in the fan world, you know, no Phil, no Lizzy, we\u2019ve always lived with that although those numbers have really shrunk quite drastically I think, but this I think people will be able to look at this and look at a whole new project from the ground up rather than something that was grown out of the history books I think that will free us up on that side.<\/p>\n

I think you may have copped more flack if you had released it as a Thin Lizzy album\u2026<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> You know, we just might have… I think the people that are still out there that are a little bit antsy would\u2019ve really voiced their opinion in that way. You know, none of us are out to hurt anybody and we\u2019re not out here to piss anybody off, when you get on stage it\u2019s like party time and we\u2019re there to have a great time, and that\u2019s what it\u2019s all about, so to in any way shape or form to endanger that it\u2019s kind of not on the cards.<\/p>\n

How is the album going, can we have a little progress update?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> It\u2019s done, it\u2019s finished, I can give you an exclusive reveal of what it\u2019s going to be called, it\u2019s called \u2018All Hell Breaks Loose\u2019<\/em><\/strong> it\u2019s finished, it\u2019s mastered last week and we\u2019re good to go, last week of May, pretty much simultaneous worldwide release everywhere. It\u2019s out on Nuclear Blast too, one of the great indie success stories of the last thirty years, so they\u2019ve been super supportive and very excited about it, very helpful in recording, giving us pretty much everything we wanted to do and making us work hard which is great.\u00a0 We didn\u2019t do it on tape but, it was mixed on the board, we did it with the faders and it was done twelve tracks in twelve days, as a band in a room playing and looking at each other, there was hardly any overdubs, it was a case of we\u2019d run through a song half a dozen times and then it was not me going into the vocal booth and putting the vocal on, after the track was recorded it was done there and then, but it was very much instantaneous and it was capturing a vibe and I think we did. That\u2019s how Kevin Shirley likes to work, he\u2019s super-fast but you\u2019ve got to know your shit, you\u2019ve got to now the songs.<\/p>\n

Scott:<\/strong> It\u2019d done. It was twelve songs in twelve days and none of us had ever done an album like that before, usually you do a basic track, tuck it away for a couple of days, think about it, move your amp into the control room, dial in your sounds and go over some overdubs for a while. Not with this. With this, you started with the count in and a lot of these vocals are Ricky singing at the moment, a lot of the guitar solos are the same way. A lot of the major overdubs are probably harmony guitars and maybe a little bit of percussion, more the fluff that got overdubbed, but basically what you\u2019re going to hear is exactly what was in the studio and that\u2019s kind of a fearsome kind of deal. You\u2019re kind of studying everybody to make sure you\u2019re not the guy that\u2019s fuckin\u2019 this up *laughs* you don\u2019t want to be the guy \u2018Oh shit let\u2019s try this again\u2019 *laughs* it was fun doing it that way.<\/p>\n

Now, Ricky did reveal the title to me, but can you tell us the meaning behind it?<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> I have no idea *laughs* it\u2019s just for me a really cool title, \u2018All Hell Breaks Loose\u2019 it brings up a tonne of different things.
\n*Scott then asks one of his crew to remind him to ask Ricky about it and turns out the crew member knew the answer to the question*
\nHe was watching a documentary about World War 2 bombers and there was a B17 in the mix that had pinup art on the side that said \u2018All Hell Breaks Loose\u2019 and he thought what a great name for an album\u2026
\nScott:<\/strong> So we kind of carried that on with the album cover too.<\/p>\n

In relation to the song writing, Ricky, did you have a major part in the songs?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> Yes, I probably wrote about fifty percent of the record, I wrote all the lyrics, I wrote all the melodies and some of the music and the vast majority of the rest of it was me, Scott and Damon, so I think that\u2019s what I do, these guys are amazing guitar players, I\u2019m not that good but I think I\u2019ve always wanted to be the songwriter and that\u2019s my craft coming up now over the years with The Almighty and some solo stuff and lucky we\u2019ve had some success with it and like I said it\u2019s a natural thing for me to do. I like telling stories, I\u2019m a storyteller in my own solo stuff so the way Phil is, and Phil was an influence on me and still is, so I think in that vein it was a nice way to be able to grab the reins for this and say I got this, don\u2019t worry\u2026<\/p>\n

As Black Star Riders moves forward, will Thin Lizzy tracks remain as part of the set or will these slowly phase out over time?<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to have to; we\u2019re not going to have enough material. I think everybody\u2019s always going to expect us to throw some Thin Lizzy songs in there and I\u2019m good with that. I still love playing the Lizzy stuff, I still get a lot of emotion playing it, it\u2019s still a hell of a lot of fun, these are guitar vehicles, that\u2019s how we wrote them, this is a guitar band, to not play any Thin Lizzy songs in any BSR show people may feel a little ripped off. So yeah, there\u2019ll probably always be elements of Thin Lizzy no matter what format we\u2019re going to put it in to.<\/p>\n

Yes it\u2019s exciting to have Back Star Riders as a new project, but are you sad in a way to put an end to Thin Lizzy?<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> You know, that\u2019s a really great question, and I was in the beginning, I thought Holy Shit, after forty years of doing this I\u2019m never going to see this again, but I figured we will see it again, so and once I realised that, I dove headlong into BSR, knowing that somewhere in the future we will get back together as Thin Lizzy with Brian Downey and Darren and go out and do these, I don\u2019t know if they\u2019re going to be short runs, or long runs, so it\u2019s not like an actual \u2018see ya this is never going to happen again\u2019 kind of thing.<\/p>\n

So when do you essentially farewell the Thin Lizzy name and welcome Black Star Riders?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> Pretty much the last show we play in OZ, that\u2019ll pretty much be the last time Thin Lizzy play for quite some time. We haven\u2019t closed the lid on it completely, certainly there\u2019s a couple of offers for a few shows we may go back out as Thin Lizzy with Brian and Darren, but again Black Star Riders will dictate when and if we can do that. We\u2019re certainly very focussed on that, the four of us focussed on making the album a success and building up the name of the band and getting it out there. I guess Mackay will be the last Lizzy show for the foreseeable future. Mad place to end, right? *laughs*<\/p>\n

Scott, I have to ask about 21 Guns, with some killer work in the 90\u2019s, is this a project that could maybe see the light of day again one day?<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> Oh man, I like you *laughs* thank you.\u00a0 Well, we are talking about it, we\u2019ve got songs written, we\u2019ve got probably an album worth of material written, we\u2019ve got a couple of record companies that want to further this thing. The problem being the whole Thin Lizzy and BSR thing takes up everybody\u2019s time, to find a window now to go out and do the third album is hard, but I love that stuff, it\u2019s way different from the Lizzy or BSR stuff, it\u2019s a little more melodic kind of deal. I was really kind of sad when the first album \u2018Salute\u2019 kinda got skipped over and I was sad about that as there were some really good things on there that nobody really got to hear. Well grunge had just hit and it kind of totally wiped us out, because whatever record company that you\u2019re with or that you were working on at the time they wanted a grunge band to fill that hole and it was a \u2018nice knowing you, we\u2019ll talk to you later about your thing\u2026\u2019 Thanks for asking about that.<\/p>\n

Just back on The Almighty, Ricky, I heard you\u2019re doing some new stuff, is that right?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> Yes, we are looking at doing four or five new tracks for some re-issues that are coming out this year which will be exciting, if I can find the time *laughs*<\/p>\n

The other thing I love that you did over the last couple of years, Ricky was a track with Trucker Diablo on their debut album\u2026<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> They\u2019re a great band aren\u2019t they? Big things are starting to happen for that band and they really deserve it, because they\u2019re a really great bunch of guys, hardworking, fantastic musicians and players and I\u2019m a big, big fan of theirs.<\/p>\n

Lastly, what does the remainder of 2013 have in store for you?<\/strong>
\nRicky:<\/strong> As Black Star Riders, the record comes out at the end of May, we start on the European festival circuit on June 1st<\/sup> and then pretty much go right through. There\u2019s talk of us going to Japan and then we\u2019ve got a UK tour towards the end of the year, some States shows as well, would love to get back down here as well.\u00a0 So just get the record out and tour the hell out of it you know?\u00a0 It\u2019s old school, we recorded it old school, we may as well tour it old school.<\/p>\n

Scott:<\/strong> We start in June, we\u2019ve got Sweden Rock festival, there\u2019s a tonne of festivals in Europe we\u2019re going to be doing, which once again is kind of a nervous thing as for the first time you\u2019re going to be walking out in front of a shitload of people playing these songs for the first time and you keep thinking how much have you heard of this material and how much are you really going to know? But it\u2019s going to be fun, it\u2019s going to be a situation now where everybody backstage is going to have that thing in their stomach, there will be nerves but I think it\u2019s going to be a good kind of nerves as we\u2019ll be well rehearsed and all that. The Lizzy thing everybody\u2019s real comfortable with that, especially with this crew we\u2019ve been doing it for over two years, but you\u2019re more comfortable with it which means everything flows real easily with the Lizzy thing, but the BSR thing, it\u2019s exciting and I think it\u2019s going to take a little while to get as comfortable as it is now with Thin Lizzy, but it\u2019ll happen.<\/p>\n

Plus with Ricky out the front you\u2019ll be fine\u2026<\/strong>
\nScott:<\/strong> He\u2019s got balls from hell man, I love that guy. To me, he\u2019s my new Phil\u2026 I can sit on his shoulders all day long and he won\u2019t get tired, he\u2019ll grab the audience by the throat and shake them and get them going and I know he\u2019s going to do that every night. No matter how he feels I know he\u2019s going to do that, so I can walk out with total confidence, same with the other guys in the band, I know these guys are that good that none of this is going to be a problem, so that\u2019s a great sheet of armour to have on when you walk out every night.<\/p>\n

Essential Information<\/strong><\/h2>\n

From:<\/strong> Los Angeles CA, USA<\/p>\n

Band members: <\/strong>\u00a0Ricky Warwick – vocals, Scott Gorham – guitar, Damon Johnson – guitar, Marco Mendoza – bass, Jimmy DeGrasso – drums<\/p>\n

Forthcoming release:<\/strong> All Hell Breaks Loose \u2013 May 2013 (Nuclear Blast)<\/p>\n

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